Razgovor:Neon Genesis Evangelion

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Edits[uredi kod]

I've recently editied this article, saying that some sentences sounds dubious. I'm not questioning the sources; the whole article gives solid sources for any sentence. But some of them citied academic essays/opinions. It's better to write it in a different manner. It's just the opinion of a critic/academic, not an official statement (Anno, Sadamoto, etc.) or a supervised source (Red Cross Book, official film book, etc.)

  • "U epizodi 12, naizgled tipičan "fan service" [...] atomske eksplozije". Maybe "according to Redmond.." is better, dont you think so?
  • "Misato ima Elektrin kompleks [...] Kajija." Well, the "source" is episode 26 (actually, Misato's monologue took place in the 25th episode, not 26!), but no one evidence is given to say she has an "Electra Complex". I think the first sentence it's just an Original Research.
  • "Evangelion sadrži razne reference na mitologiju i religiju (kabala, kršćanstvo, judaizam, šintoizam, gnosticizam". Well, kkabalistic, christian, and hebrew references are obviously confirmed by Evangelion Chronicle and many other official sources. But shintoist and gnosticism? Academics aren't the "higher" source; they'are not the author. It seems legit to delete "šintoizam, gnosticizam".
  • "Tu su i reference na Kojiki i Nihon Shoki, svete tekstove šintoizma... Evangeliona i Anđela". This is not stated (IIRC) by any member of the original staff either any official source. It seems wiser to write "According to Patrick Drazen, ...", "Drazen argue that the Shinto vision...." and so on.
  • "Priča donekle koristi i drevne svete tekstove zoroastrijanizma." Same here. Maybe "According to Mick Broderick..."
  • "Serija se obilato koristi tezama i teorijama Freuda, Jacquesa Lacana". Well, Napier says: "In the final episode, Annop is clearly referencing Freud and perhaps Lacan as the unseen voice inside Shinji's head explains to him that he creates his personality first through disassociating with the mother and then though distinguishing himself from others". Perhaps means that it's her personal interpretation. The article seems to say that it's a direct reference. Maybe we should mantain "Sigmund Freud" or creat a separate sentence, something like "Susan Naiper arguest that the final episode philosophical questions are influenced by psychoanalythical theories by Sigmund Freud and Jacques Lacan".
  • "..Georga Friedricha Hegela, Jeana Paula Sartrea i drugih". Same here. But Tsuribe seems to say that Hegel's system correspond to the Human Instrumentality Project just for literaly motif, nothing more. She doesn't seem to say that "Hegel and Sartre are referenced in NGE". But she mention episode 16, "The sickness unto death", an obvious Kierkegaard reference (confirmed by Evangelion Chronicle offician encyclopedia), so we can replace "Hegel" and "Sartre" with "Kierkegaard", just like the NGE-related article on en.wiki.

Also, in "Teme": "Iako se dobar dio animea .... izvan tehnologije?". That rethorical question sounds childish, "bloggish" or just with a non-enciclopedic style. Can you rewrite this sentence with a more enciclopedic style, deleting the fansite-like question?--TeenAngels1234 (razgovor) 18:25, 5 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]

Since I haven't watched the anime myself, I cannot state anything precise as to the factual accuracy of the article itself. Some of the arguments listed above seem valid, others a little exaggerated, but all in all, I've decided to contact the original author of the article. He has watched the show, I presume, and he will certainly have more factual knowledge than me. I shall hear what he has to say regarding your suggestions and then come back here as soon as that's done --E.A.Poe 17:58, 6 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
@Edgar Allan Poe: He seems to be (semi?)retired from Wikipedia (I think), so choose you. Again, IMHO they're minor and objectively good edits.--TeenAngels1234 (razgovor) 12:28, 19 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
@TeenAngels1234:, I am truly sorry for the delay. I have contacted the user privately and he has given his reply to your suggestions, stating that he agrees with all but the last one, as there is, according to him, proof of using both Hegel's and Sartre's ideas throughout the anime. I haven't had the time (and I forgot after a while) to edit the article so you can either do it yourself as per your earlier ideas or you can wait for me to do it in; I might have the time later today, my time. I am truly sorry for the delay and not replying to you, I hope you won't mind :) --E.A.Poe 12:07, 20 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
I'm not a native speaker, I fear to edit with some grammatical/prose errors (sigh). Maybe "according to critic Manabu Tsuribe, the series incorporates some elements from Sartre, Kierkegaard and Hegel philosophy" it's better to settle all the disputes? :)--TeenAngels1234 (razgovor) 12:30, 20 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
Okay, then. I shall make the edits myself, hopefully during the day, in accordance with your comments on the talk page. As far as Sartre goes, your suggestion might be the best solution, but I shall have to see how it fits into the general context. Thank you again for the patience :) --E.A.Poe 14:22, 20 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
I never thought it would be this short. But all in all, I have edited the article. As far as Sartre and Hegel go, I have decided to keep that fact because of a source provided by Seiya via private conversation. As for the question mark in the sentence, as a native speaker, it seems fit to me, as it reflects the sentence structure and the semantic context of the paragraph itself. I do not see a valid reason for its deletion. Everything else has been taken care of in accordance with the suggestions --E.A.Poe 22:33, 20 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
I see. I just want to add "Soren Kierkegaard" to the list in accordance with Tsuribe's essay. So, thanks to Seiya and for your patience too :) Ps. Is Seiya definitely retired? Maybe we can write few articles about the characters of the series, they have the potential to be Featured Articles.--TeenAngels1234 (razgovor) 17:15, 21 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
He's been added :) As far as Seiya goes, he's, as far as I know, inactive at the moment, but he hasn't given up on a potential return. At this moment, I wouldn't get my hopes very high up, but if you want, I could ask him to contact you? --E.A.Poe 21:03, 21 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
Yeah, thank you. It would be a pity to waste the high potential of those articles :)--TeenAngels1234 (razgovor) 21:11, 21 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
I have contacted him. He'll either contact you himself, or send me a reply, which I will then forward to you :) --E.A.Poe 23:44, 21 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
Not promising anything, Seiya has asked for some form of contact so that he can hear what you have to suggest :) --E.A.Poe 22:20, 22 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
@Edgar Allan Poe: Do you think User Talk is enough?--TeenAngels1234 (razgovor) 19:16, 23 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
You can try leaving a message for him on his user page, but I can't guarantee that he'll reply. An e-mail address is the safest way, but if you have a problem with that, I'll tell him to check his talk page --E.A.Poe 21:54, 23 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]
The problem is that I've not his/her e-mail addres :( --TeenAngels1234 (razgovor) 11:53, 26 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]

He asked if you had any form of contact... --E.A.Poe 12:59, 27 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]

@Edgar Allan Poe: Oh, I'm sorry, I just misunderstood the previous text (English isn't my native language). So, I think my e-mail address (berserkelion@gmail.com) is enough.--TeenAngels1234 (razgovor) 19:09, 31 maj 2017 (CEST)[odgovori]

Death threats[uredi kod]

Hi everyone. I'm back. I recently deleted an unsourced sentence about the death threats to Anno. The source mentioned are Haslem and Solomon, IINM. But Haslem and Solomon doesn't mention a source, and they're not reliable at all. I inserted them years ago, but I didn't know that the death threats question is, basically, a myth spread by Amanda Winn Lee.--TeenAngels1234 (razgovor) 14:29, 5 juli 2020 (CEST)[odgovori]