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Dobrodošli na Pijacu! / Добродошли на Пијацу!
Dobrodošli na Pijacu Wikipedije na srpskohrvatskom jeziku. Ovdje se može razgovarati o bilo čemu što se tiče Wikipedije i gdje bismo se trebali dogovoriti kako da ova Wikipedia uznapreduje.

Добродошли на Пијацу Википедије на српскохрватском језику. Овде се може разговарати о било чему што се тиче Википедије и где бисмо се требали договорити како да ова Википедија узнапредује.

Spora ali dostižna diskusija na temu uvođenja konvertora za transliteraciju ćirilica⇿latinica

Wikimedia HACKATHON 2021!

Za one koji žele steći ili testirati tehnička znanja neloša prilika ovog vikenda je: Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021

Prošle godine je bilo dosta teško pratiti, ali mislim da je OK uskočiti za probu. Ja ću probati pogledat i možda radit nešto u par sesija. --Zblace (razgovor) 10:20, 22 maj 2021 (CEST)

Request for your feedback on improving the Content Translation tool for Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia

Pozdrav Serbo-Croatian Wikipedians!

Apologies as this message is not in your native language, Pomozite pri prevođenju na Vaš jezik.

The WMF language team is reaching out to your community, the Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia, about the Content translation tool.

We noticed that articles created with the Content Translation tool in your wiki are deleted more than in other Wikipedias. We say this because, from our statistics, 8185 articles were added to Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia in 2020. Out of the above figure, only 7 were translated using the Content Translation tool, and 14 articles were deleted. The deletion rate and the tool's low usage signals a problem or deficiencies that might be peculiar to Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia.

The Content Translation tool can increase content creation in your Wikipedia. Also, it is an excellent way to efficiently introduce newcomers to adding content and expand on existing ones. So we, the WMF Language team will like to get answers from members of the Serbo-Croatian community on the following questions:

• What deficiencies do articles created with the Content translation tool have that makes them not of good quality?
• What makes it challenging to use the tool to create content in your Wikipedia.
• How can this tool be improved to make it more user-friendly and efficient to add good quality content in your language Wikipedia?

We believe that the answers to the above questions are good ways to get insight into improving the tool for your community and others. So please, feel free to provide us feedback in this thread, or you can also email us your feedback using the title of this message as your subject.

Thank you so much, as we look forward to your participation.

UOzurumba (WMF) (razgovor) 20:18, 26 maj 2021 (CEST) On behalf of the WMF Language team.

Hi @UOzurumba (WMF) thank you for reaching out. It is an interesting insight, and I would be curious to learn more. Do you publish your findings publicly somewhere? It would be interesting to compare to other languages of the region + similar size. Best --Zblace (razgovor) 08:03, 10 juni 2021 (CEST)

Hello Zblace,

Thank you for your question, the information is not published, but you can access it from a public query interface called Quarry. Anyone can use quarry provided you open an account and agree to Cloud Services Terms of use. That said, you can access the information I have provided here: https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/56221

Also, you can modify the query by clicking on the "Fork" Icon and changing the language codes in the query. I hope the above answers your questions; please feel free to continue to provide feedback that will help us understand the challenges you have with the Content Translation tool.

Thank you once again. UOzurumba (WMF) (razgovor) 13:04, 24 juni 2021 (CEST)

KOMUNIKACIJA: Mailing lista Wikimedija SH projekata

Wikimedija hosta mailing liste za komunikaciju unutar projekata, inicijativa, tematskih i drugih zajednica na svom serveru, te ih smatra službenim kanalima komunikacije koji zadovoljavaju standarde oko transparentnosti, otvorenosti i pristupačnosti. Rado bi da se uspostavi i takav kanal komunikacije za SH Wikimedija projekte čim prije, kako bi se razina organizacije i preglednosti informacija podigla, te proširila na krug ljudi koji ne provode vrijeme ovdje (i/ili Discordu) i na teme koje su aktualne kroz duže pariode od par dana unutar jednog mjeseca (ne zatrpaju ih druge teme i/ili arhiviranje). Ima li interesa među korisnicima ovdje da se pridruže takvoj mailing listi? Pozdrav --Zblace (razgovor) 08:09, 10 juni 2021 (CEST)

Diskusija na temu konvertera lat-ćir

Nije više stara, i to sam promenio gore i podebljao. Poz, --biblbroks (разговор) 18:12, 11 juni 2021 (CEST)

Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 1

Universal Code of Conduct News
Issue 1, June 2021Read the full newsletter

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Welcome to the first issue of Universal Code of Conduct News! This newsletter will help Wikimedians stay involved with the development of the new code, and will distribute relevant news, research, and upcoming events related to the UCoC.

Please note, this is the first issue of UCoC Newsletter which is delivered to all subscribers and projects as an announcement of the initiative. If you want the future issues delivered to your talk page, village pumps, or any specific pages you find appropriate, you need to subscribe here.

You can help us by translating the newsletter issues in your languages to spread the news and create awareness of the new conduct to keep our beloved community safe for all of us. Please add your name here if you want to be informed of the draft issue to translate beforehand. Your participation is valued and appreciated.

• Affiliate consultations – Wikimedia affiliates of all sizes and types were invited to participate in the UCoC affiliate consultation throughout March and April 2021. (continue reading)
• 2021 key consultations – The Wikimedia Foundation held enforcement key questions consultations in April and May 2021 to request input about UCoC enforcement from the broader Wikimedia community. (continue reading)
• Roundtable discussions – The UCoC facilitation team hosted two 90-minute-long public roundtable discussions in May 2021 to discuss UCoC key enforcement questions. More conversations are scheduled. (continue reading)
• Phase 2 drafting committee – The drafting committee for the phase 2 of the UCoC started their work on 12 May 2021. Read more about their work. (continue reading)
• Diff blogs – The UCoC facilitators wrote several blog posts based on interesting findings and insights from each community during local project consultation that took place in the 1st quarter of 2021. (continue reading)

--MediaWiki message delivery (razgovor) 01:06, 12 juni 2021 (CEST)

Stranica Crnogorci

Molim za pomoć moderatore da zaustave Sadko-a koji kasapi stranicu Crnogorci i promoviše velikosrpski nacionalizam i četničku ideologiju o nastanku Crnogoraca od komunista. Nemam ovlašćenje da ga zaustavim. Hvala!. --Mrdakson (razgovor); 15:21, 12. juni 2021. (CEST)

Mene nećeš etiketirati niti rasistički vrijeđati ti niti bilo ko drugi. Govor mržnje ostavi za interno rabljenje.

Knjige i akademski radovi ti se očito ne dopadaju, sa njima imaš problem. Argumenata niđe, samo kalimero patos.

Komunisti jesu de fakto radili na jačanju određenih identiteta u Jugoslaviji, isto su radili i komunisti u Sovjetskom Savezu, o tome se u nauci piše decenijama. --Sadko (razgovor); 02:48, 13. juni 2021. (CEST)

Privatna Vikipedija?

Nisam dugo bio ovdje ali eto nakon prvih promjena već zažalih. :-/

Kultura, argumenti, konsenzus, NPOV ... čine se ovdje potpuno izgubljeni i SH-Vikipedija privatizovana.

Argumentovana izmjena se vraća bez ikakvog komentara. Kasniji pokušaj razgovora se kvitira priznanjem da se ovdje zaista radi o privatnoj Vikipediji. Baš fino. Džimiju bi bilo baš drago kad bi čuo, da se njegovo mjezimče sada vucara sa svakakvim bjelosvjetskim vucibatinama.

Eto, neka vam je džaba, kad je ovakva. A neće dugo.

Kaster (razgovor) 00:56, 13 juni 2021 (CEST)

Bjelosvjetska vucibatina? :D Ovo je novo, svaka čast :D Svašta sam bio, ali ovo još nisam! :D --E.A.Poe 00:58, 13 juni 2021 (CEST)

@Kaster: Slažem se u potpunosti. Naišao sam na istu situaciju.

U slučaju koji si naveo očito je da se ignorira postulat neutralnsoti. Zamisli "operacija" za nešto što se nikada nije dogodilo niti je uopće potvrđeno, jedino je navođeno u propagandne svrhe. Sadko (razgovor) 02:51, 13 juni 2021 (CEST)

Enciklopedija znanja ili enciklopedija za naciju?

U Wikimedijinom izvještaju na str. 36 pohvalno se navodi da je sh-wp po kolaborativnoj kvaliteti odnosno dubini članaka odmah iza en-wp! Preporučujem pročitati cijeli izvještaj jer se esencijalno tiče budućnosti sh-wp. --Argo (razgovor) 15:31, 15 juni 2021 (CEST)

Wikimania 2021: Individual Program Submissions

Dear all,

Wikimania 2021 will be hosted virtually for the first time in the event's 15-year history. Since there is no in-person host, the event is being organized by a diverse group of Wikimedia volunteers that form the Core Organizing Team (COT) for Wikimania 2021.

Event Program - Individuals or a group of individuals can submit their session proposals to be a part of the program. There will be translation support for sessions provided in a number of languages. See more information here.

Below are some links to guide you through;

• Program Submissions
• Session Submission Guidelines
• FAQ

Please note that the deadline for submission is 18th June 2021.

Announcements- To keep up to date with the developments around Wikimania, the COT sends out weekly updates. You can view them in the Announcement section here.

Office Hour - If you are left with questions, the COT will be hosting some office hours (in multiple languages), in multiple time-zones, to answer any programming questions that you might have. Details can be found here.

Best regards,

MediaWiki message delivery (razgovor) 06:18, 16 juni 2021 (CEST)

On behalf of Wikimania 2021 Core Organizing Team

Procena o dezinformacijama na hr.wiki

Objavljen je izveštaj pod naslovom Croatian Wikipedia Disinformation Assessment ("Procena o dezinformacija na hrvatskoj wikipediji"). Sažetak procesa i preporuka je ovde, a potpuni izveštaj ovde. Jedna od preporuka tiče se i naše wikipedije: Encouraging the affected communities to discuss the possibility of re-merging Bosnian, Serbian and Croatian language projects into the original Serbo-Croatian language projects to re-align with the practices of other pluricentric languages with unified Wikipedia projects; including but not limited to Chinese, English, German, Spanish, Tamil, Korean, and French language Wikipedias ("Ohrabrivanje relevantnih zajednica da razgovaraju o mogućnosti ponovnog spajanja projekata na bosanskom, srpskom i hrvatskom jeziku u originalne projekte na srpskohrvatskom jeziku radi ponovnog usklađivanja sa praksom drugih pluricentričnih jezika sa objedinjenim projektima na wikipediji; uključujući, između ostalih, wikipedije na kineskom, engleskom, nemačkom, španskom, tamilskom, korejskom i francuskom jeziku"). --Igor Windsor (razgovor) 19:35, 16 juni 2021 (CEST)

Aha, takođe i druga preporuka: Encouraging the affected communities to discuss unifying community elections for admin and functionary roles across the involved wikis (Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian, and Serbo-Croatian) ("Podsticanje relevantnih zajednica da razgovaraju o objedinjavanju izbora u zajednici za administratorske i druge dužnosti na uključenim wikijima (hrvatskoj, bosanskoj, srpskoj i srpskohrvatskoj"). A vidim sad i da je izveštaj dostupan i na našem jeziku, na hrvatskoj i srpskoj varijanti. --Igor Windsor (razgovor) 19:55, 16 juni 2021 (CEST)

Iskreno mislim da je naivno očekivati da se ovo može desiti organski sa pokapacitiranim projektima i ovako malim brojem ljudi koji su spremni razgovarati o bilo čemu (ljudi nemaju vremena), a kamoli o dugoročnim procesima i teškim temama...+ to što je neko ne-loš Wikipedist ili Wikimedijalac ne znači da ima komunikacijske sposobnosti, socijalnu inteligenciju ili vještine rada na projektima. Ljudi to nemaju ni u offline radu a kamoli online gdje je velika razina anonimnosti i nepredvidljivosti.

Heaving said that...rado bi da govorimo o strateškom razvoju. --Zblace (razgovor) 07:40, 22 juni 2021 (CEST)

Upravo čitam Procenu dezinformacija na hrvatskoj Wikipediji i prilično sam ohrabren razvojem događaja. Ovo je ono o čemu sam pričao na sr wiki pre više od 10 godina, i zbog čega sam je na koncu napustio kao administrator (iako povremeno doprinosim i dalje). Enciklopedija podeljena po etničkoj pripadnosti ne može biti naučna, taj suludi pristup po definiciji vodi u provincijalizam, u najmanju ruku, ili u krajni nacionalizam, u krajnjem ishodu. Još jednom pozdravljam ove preporuke, i kako ne bi ostale samo preporuke potrebno je što pre započeti rad na alatkama koje će omogućiti efektivno ujednačavanje/spajanje sadržaja svih Wikipedija našeg govornog područja.

Po mom mišljenju, treba poći od najtežih tema, koje se poglavito tiču jugoslovenskih ratova, haških presuda i slično, jer kad se to reši, oko botanike sigurno neće biti spora :) Ja sam svojevremeno sastavljao spisak sistemski pristrasnih članaka na srpskoj Wikipediji (opsada Dubrovnika, opsada Sarajeva, istorija Kosova i slično), pa to može biti dobra polaznica za veliku čistku. Poduhvat umnogome olakšava što na sh Wikipediji već imamo rešene te probleme, odnosno takvi članci su ovde daleko manje problematični nego drugde, te predstavljaju odličnu polaznu osnovu za integraciju sadržaja. U svakom slučaju, tu sam za svaku pomoć. --Mladifilozof (razgovor) 18:49, 21 juni 2021 (CEST)

Čini mi se da je Miloš razvio latinično-ćiriličnu konverziju za MediaWiki, ali neznam nikog drugog da ima iskustva s takvim radom...

Mislim da osim alata treba raditi (možda i više) na socijalnim i kulturnim aspektima povezivanja (mimo botanike) :-)))

--Zblace (razgovor) 07:44, 22 juni 2021 (CEST)

Ja radim kao programer, pa verovatno mogu pomoći oko nekih alatki, iako do sada nisam razvijao wiki softver. A što se tiče kulturnog povezivanja veoma je potrebno. Verovatno bi jedna regionalna konferencija, u organizaciji Wikimedija fondacije, značajno doprinela tome. I uvođenje redovnih kanala komunikacije, naravno. --Mladifilozof (razgovor) 13:36, 22 juni 2021 (CEST)

Moj kratki komentar na hr.wiki - da se ne ponavljam! Podržavam ideju zajedničkog rada, koordinacije i sl.--AnToni (razgovor) 10:24, 25 juni 2021 (CEST)

@Mladifilozof: ovaj sam tvoj komentar propustio da bolje protumačim jer nisam pratio detaljno diskusiju te me stoga zanima koliko si spreman da istestiraš na svom računaru moju alfa verziju ćir-lat sh konvertora? Značilo bi da se, pre puštanja u rad na tom beta klasteru, eventualno prođe kroz neke simpl bagove ako postoje a ja ih prevideo ili zaboravio. Imaš uputstvo na mw:Manual:Installation_guide kako da instaliraš Mediawiki - s druge strane ja sam tu ako negde zapne... a zapeće najverovatnije. Pogotovu na Windows platformi ako se radi. Ne bi trebalo da je mnogo posla oko instaliranja: pola sata, sat, kada znaš šta radiš. Ali pošto ima da se čita i proučava da bi ti to odradilo iz prve mogao bih da te provedem kroz neke detalje i skratim ti posao. Nisam jedino siguran kako bi na Meku to radilo i da li bih umeo da se snađem, ali na Linux je prilično prosto instaliranje dok MS platforme se otprilike sećam samo moram da se podsetim jer ima skoro pola godine kako sam je poslednji put radio. Trebalo bi da je najlakše u nekoj virtuelnoj mašini pa se igraš posle. Meni se Debian linux i to baš MX Linux pokazao kao stabilna a ne mnogo zahtevna distro za bilokoji od mojih dva 4GB laptopa ali ja sam ga instalirao na hardver kako se to kaže bare metal (u dual boot naravno) a ne virtuelno jer sam kapirao da bi mi pojelo memoriju pogotovu sa sve web i database serverom - XAMPP ako si u toj materiji pa znaš o čemu pričam. U svakom slučaju možda bi i 4G bilo dovoljno ali nisam hteo da rizikujem jer pri sebi nisam imao bolje kompove da mi budu i development i testing envajrment. Eto malo sam i lingo, tj žargon preuzeo ;-) --biblbroks (разговор) 00:05, 1 juli 2021 (CEST)

Read-only next Tuesday

A maintenance operation will be performed on Tuesday 22nd at 05:00 AM UTC.

It is supposed to last a few minutes and will affect 31 wikis. During this time, you will not be able to save your edits. For more details, please check on Phabricator.

A banner will be displayed 30 minutes before the operation.

Please help making your community aware of this. SGrabarczuk (WMF) 19:36, 16 juni 2021 (CEST)

CEE Hub - istraživanje za razvoj

Prenosim: Dear CEE friends! The time has come to talk in detail on how a CEE Hub can support you, your community or your affiliate directly in the years to come. The grant application for that first step has been published on Meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Wikimedia_Poland/CEE_Needs_Research, which was designed by a group of more than 10 people from at least 8 countries within CEE. I hope this will be the start of something truly beneficial to everyone in the CEE community! --Zblace (razgovor) 07:48, 22 juni 2021 (CEST)

Novo za povezati na Vikipodatke 2

Povezati članak Čoček na d:Q2748579. --5.43.73.49 14:41, 22 juni 2021 (CEST)

 U toku... --5.43.73.49 14:41, 22 juni 2021 (CEST)

 Urađeno (zanimljiv članak, nisam ni znao za taj pojam) --Igor Windsor (razgovor) 18:34, 22 juni 2021 (CEST)

Povezati članak Georg Šefler na d:Q17574882. --5.43.73.49 22:25, 24 juni 2021 (CEST)

 U toku... --5.43.73.49 22:25, 24 juni 2021 (CEST)

 Urađeno --Igor Windsor (razgovor) 08:02, 25 juni 2021 (CEST)

(Možda prvo premjestiti na naslov Tirinška šuma; ja počeo praviti pod naslovom Tiringijska šuma i onda objavio izmjene pod tim naslovom ne stigavši prebaciti izvornik u okvir za uređivanje s naslovom Tirinška šuma; sada ne mogu jer filter bi, mislim, spriječio uklanjanje sadržaja radi premještanja stranice, a i bolje je da admin to uradi jer ima mogućnost automatskog spajanja istorije ’čistim’ premještanjem, ako je pravilnije tirinška nego tiringijska a mislim da jeste...)
Povezati članak Tiringijska šuma na d:Q4210. --5.43.73.49 19:08, 1 juli 2021 (CEST)

 U toku... --5.43.73.49 19:08, 1 juli 2021 (CEST)

Editing news 2021 #2

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When newcomers had the Reply tool and tried to post on a talk page, they were more successful at posting a comment. (Source)

Earlier this year, the Editing team ran a large study of the Reply Tool. The main goal was to find out whether the Reply Tool helped newer editors communicate on wiki. The second goal was to see whether the comments that newer editors made using the tool needed to be reverted more frequently than comments newer editors made with the existing wikitext page editor.

The key results were:

• Newer editors who had automatic ("default on") access to the Reply tool were more likely to post a comment on a talk page.
• The comments that newer editors made with the Reply Tool were also less likely to be reverted than the comments that newer editors made with page editing.

These results give the Editing team confidence that the tool is helpful.

Looking ahead

The team is planning to make the Reply tool available to everyone as an opt-out preference in the coming months. This has already happened at the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedias.

The next step is to resolve a technical challenge. Then, they will deploy the Reply tool first to the Wikipedias that participated in the study. After that, they will deploy it, in stages, to the other Wikipedias and all WMF-hosted wikis.

You can turn on "Alati za razgovor" in Beta Features now. After you get the Reply tool, you can change your preferences at any time in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion.

–Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

16:14, 24 juni 2021 (CEST)

Server switch

Read this message in another language • Pomozite pri prevođenju na Vaš jezik

The Wikimedia Foundation tests the switch between its first and secondary data centers. This will make sure that Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to do a planned test. This test will show if they can reliably switch from one data centre to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.

Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop while the switch is made. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.

You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.

• You will not be able to edit for up to an hour on Tuesday, 29 June 2021. The test will start at 14:00 UTC (07:00 PDT, 10:00 EDT, 15:00 WEST/BST, 16:00 CEST, 19:30 IST, 23:00 JST, and in New Zealand at 02:00 NZST on Wednesday 30 June).
• If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.

Other effects:

• Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped. Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.
• There will be code freezes for the week of June 28. Non-essential code deployments will not happen.

This project may be postponed if necessary. You can read the schedule at wikitech.wikimedia.org. Any changes will be announced in the schedule. There will be more notifications about this. A banner will be displayed on all wikis 30 minutes before this operation happens. Please share this information with your community.

SGrabarczuk (WMF) 03:19, 27 juni 2021 (CEST)